Our New Simulation Game

[Mandragon]

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See? In role-playing games, you indulge yourself into torture for pleasure!
[QUOTEIt's exactly as disgusting as some chirurgic operation in a hospital.

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So, in England, say, you got this surgeon who operates on a young girl, he would be looking at a prison sentence, if the operation was upon her privates?

Like I said, this scenario took about two minutes to describe and was comletely imaginary. Especially in as much as that no such form of torture was ever used in the real world (That I'm aware of, at least). The reason that I used such horror movie style torture was to make sure that the game stayed where it belonged; within the realms of fantasy. I hardly think of it as indilging in torture for personal pleasure.

Secondly, don't be so bloody ridiculous! a doctor performing an operation on any part of a person's body is for that person's own well-being. It does not compare to hidding a camera in a sauna and filming a young girl doing what teenagers her age the world over do.There is a term for this, it is called SEXUAL AWAKENING and it is an integral part of a teenager growing into maturity. It is sick  actions like yours which can cause teenagers to grow up to hate their bodies, and therefore hate themselves which really can lead them to doing real harm to themselves. You need to understand this very clearly because once a violation like this has taken place, that girl could well begin to think that her body is no longer her own.

Finally, the picture you posted doesn't bother me in the slightest, as it is of three adult women who are freely consenting to allow their bodies to be photographed. Again, this does not in any way compare with filming a young girl in her most private moments. The guest who posted after me appears to have the same opinion as will (I hope) anybody else who reads this post.  

[Mandragon]

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See? In role-playing games, you indulge yourself into torture for pleasure!
[QUOTEIt's exactly as disgusting as some chirurgic operation in a hospital.

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So, in England, say, you got this surgeon who operates on a young girl, he would be looking at a prison sentence, if the operation was upon her privates?

What? No comeback on any of these subjects? You do surprise me!

I would have thought that you would have something to say on the further evils of role-playing at least!

Or could it be that someone has finally made you see sense and you have come to realise that role-playing games are not, as you call them, lessons in santaism, perversion, sexual deviancy, demonology and torture?

Anyway, my D&D group found the fact that you thought that we "indulged in torture for our own pleasure" highly amusing! Like I said before, it wasn't real, it didn't happen. The victim was no more than a tiny metal figurine and a few game statistics written on a piece of paper, and the form of torture chosen had no real world historical basis(Although I did read about an alleged similar incident much later which apparently took place in Afganistan under the Taliban regieme which was, in all likelyhood a load of bollocks).

Doesn't look like my argument's been beaten after all!  

[Confused Christian]

np

Can i ask you a question?

What are the fundamental parts of Role-playing that you find santaic?

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Can you itemise/ catagorise these for me?

 

[Mandragon]

np

Can i ask you a question?

What are the fundamental parts of Role-playing that you find santaic?

and

Can you itemise/ catagorise these for me?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply from np, he seems to avoid subjects altogather once an argument that has been based on common sense, not to mention reality, has been presented.

In actual fact there is NOTHING santaic about role-playing games. They are and have always intended to be a hobby, an enjoyable, social activity and I might add a very good starting point from which to encourage people to be better human beings.

Instead of santaic points about role-playing, here are some positive points;

- They're non-competitive, players actually work togather and help each other.

- They encourage tolerance. A PC group cold be made up of a human of any appearance, perhaps an exotic green skinned elf and maybe an big hairy warty troll, who all overcome any (In game) prejudices and work togather for mutual gain.

- RPG's encourage reading and mathematics. Rules are very mathematically driven with dice rolls, percentages and maybe some fractions. Rule books are usually quite extensive and take up quite some time reading.

- RPG's can actually DISCOURAGE violence: You may need to think of  a better way to defeat an opponent than simply drawing a sword. You often have to try to outwit your opponent, especially if combat would be a no-win situation.

- RPG's encourage creativity. many players, myself included, love to paint models of their characters and environments for use in play. This is my responsibility in my particular role-playing group.

- Lastly, and I always save this till the end when I make this argument because religious bigots really cannot counter it, Role Playing Games create stories of Good Triumphing Over Evil. Now ask yourself, np: WHAT COULD BE MORE CHRISTIAN THAN THAT?  

[Mandragon]

There! see what I mean? Silence from good old np.

And why? because he cannot answer your questions anymore than he's been able to answer mine!

Or maybe he's finally had sex and realised that rather than going to hell for it, that it can be quite heavenly!  

[Niilo Paasivirta]

There! see what I mean? Silence from good old np.

And why? because he cannot answer your questions anymore than he's been able to answer mine!

Or maybe he's finally had sex and realised that rather than going to hell for it, that it can be quite heavenly!

Why do you keep asking things that are thoroughly explained on the Game of santa pages? And you keep asking the SAME things again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and then you always ignore ALL answers! Then you blame me of not answering the same questions 1,000,000,000,000th time!

[Mandragon]

 

Why do you keep asking things that are thoroughly explained on the Game of santa pages? ! [/quote]
 Because your "Game of santa" pages are a load of ignorant under researched nonsense.

You claim that the game Vampire: The Masquerade teaches people how to become vampires. NEWSFLASH!: Vampires aren't real, they don't exist and never have done. Drinking blood will not bring eternal life, it will just clot in your stomach and make you very, very ill. The book itself condemns the drinking of blood and empasises that it is a work of fiction and that under no circumstances should any of the rituals be imitated in the real world simply because nothing will happen except perhaps that the person involved would invite great ridicule.

All the other games I've read up on and played have similar contents and denounce the use of so-called Black Magic (something else you're ill-informed about - magic is neither black nor white it is what you use it for which determines its orientation), devil worship, demonology and above all the use of violence to resolve real-life situations.
Also, you claim that players paint and worship miniature figurines which represent santa; Wrong again! Miniatures are used in exactly the same way in which chess pieces are, they represent combatants' posititions and are removed when "killed".

I just wonder why you never once mentioned that Role Playing Games all contain these disclaimers and therefore allow parents to make an informed choice about whether to let their kids play them?
Surely freedom of choice must be central to the Christian's life?

By the way, one last thing I've got to ask: In exactly what way  is STAR WARS and STAR TREK* evil attempt to pervert peoples' minds through the use of movies and toys?

*You will probably never find a more Christian vision of the future than STAR TREK.

[Niilo Paasivirta]

I just wonder why you never once mentioned that Role Playing Games all contain these disclaimers and therefore allow parents to make an informed choice about whether to let their kids play them?

Despite your arguments, here you obviously admit that role-playing IS dangerous to children! So, deep down in your heart, you know the devil lurks in those games.

[Mandragon]

Despite your arguments, here you obviously admit that role-playing IS dangerous to children! So, deep down in your heart, you know the devil lurks in those games.

There is a danger that anything can be taken too literally which can result in harm. However I do not believe that the fault lies with the object, be it a book, computer game, role-playing game, TV show or a film. The fault, I believe lies with the individual who clearly cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality. As rational people we all know that in real life, for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger would not get away with the things he gets away with in movies such as Terminator.
The same can be said of Role Playing Games. Just because in a game session my character kills an enemy with an axe, does not mean that I'm going to prowl the streets carrying an axe looking for people to use it on.
Please believe me when I say that over 99.99% of role-players adopt this philosophy and it is the very small minority who give the hobby a bad name.

I am well aware as I'm sure you are of the incident in the US during the early eighties which history has called "The Dungeons And Dragons Murders". If you aren't aware of them, then in brief, two teenage boys murdered their parents after becoming so imersed in a role-playing game that they couldn't distinguish between fantasy and reality. This was a tragic incident and was quite rightly universally condemned by RPG manufacturers.
This was an isolated incident and not all role-players should be judged by it. Remember that a book or a movie or a game is in itself a harmless object, it is the people who use/play/watch them and the way that they interpret them that causes the real harm.

[Mister Satan]

NP, FUK OFF, LITTLE BOY!!!!  LET's PLAY IN THIS GAME:

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!