Np's Correct Opinions,

[Pipelok-J]

Remember guys, there are some CORRECT OPINIONS even for you who don't read finnish, by Np:
"Anime" is corrupting our children!
Young girls are sliding down the greased pole into the eternal flames of Hell!
Zangelding - A New threat to your young!
Uncontrolled dicussion boards must be closed!

[Karasu-Anata]

I never, ever, read any of these discussion boards, because every message oozes with vile debauchery, detailed sexual perversion and lies!

So....what? You guessed? Heard it from a friend? No wait, god must have told you....I forgot, you and the big g are great friends....

You're so full of it, I bet your eyes are brown.

[kumiku]

So the pattern is clear: Christians are always just defending themselves against evil.

okaay then...
the sad thing is that i happen to have some knowledge of history
therefore i will give you a little chalenge: Show how these wars was not started by christians:


1) Lets start with a famous example, the thrity years war.
I myself wouldn't give the blame on any single side, but most of it to the church foremost champion - The Habsburgs, and also alot of blame on the protestant (still christian) german minority


2) Youre a finn, so you must be familiar with swedens crusades in finnland. I would claim that they were started by christan rulers greedy for land, fame and wealth. I cant really put much blame on the finns since they had hardly caused a threath to sweden.


3)  Knight of St John's hospitallers piracy against Ottoman trade. I would claim that this was made party to justify the massive contributions they recived form nobles and church all over europe. They did these piracyacts in order to show that they are "good christians" but also to further increase their wealth.
The Ottomans can hardly be seen as the offenders in this conflict. The Knights of St. John had been driven away first from Jerusalem and then Accre by different Moslem rulers. These very same rulers later fought against the Ottomans for greed and land, but that still meant that the Ottomans was weakening the Knights of St. Johns enemies, and should therefore almost be considered as a friend.
However when the Ottoman empire grew and their trade grew with it the Knights began to conduct acts of piracy against the Ottoman merchants.

4) Portugese invasion of Oman

While the portugese traders were searching for india (which they aimed to conquer for its wealth....) they needed good refulingsites along the way, Mozambique, Brasil and Fernando po are a few famous examples of those (the conquest of those was also started by christians).

When they reached the east side of africa they found that Oman had already colonized all the good landingsports (Musqt, Zanzibar and scottra) they also found that Oman had intrest in India and therefore was a concurent for the rich indian trade. Portugal invaded Oman, siezed most of their harbours and made their government basicly their puppet.






now, with those 4 examples put up i hope you can find information which prooves that the christians didnt start those wars. None of these are really minor events, you should be able to find information about them if you wish.

[Anonymous Hero]

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Evil people, like the islamic terrorists for example, have always used religion as an excuse for their political agenda.  

[kumiku]

Have you ever heard of Castilla-leons capture of the iberian penesuela? They were going to "liberate" it from the Moslems. The moslems who lived in spain at this time cannot be considered evil by any means other then if youre a religious fanatic who considers being a moslem as evil. The Moors was working with peacefull stuff like trading, farming, poetry and writing, math and architecture. The "liberators" from Castilla-Leon was doing stuff like trading and farming swell, but they also did less good stuff like jousting tournaments, internal powerstruggles with lots of assasinations and slander, external powerstruggles with lots of wars and slander. This Castilla-Leon became the popes loverboy and considered a perfect christian state.

Castilla-leon then greated the inquisition, which would "convert" the heathens. In reality they were trying to etnically clense the iberian penesuela. The Inquisition was also used to eliminate political enemies, just accuse them of being pagans and they got killed if you payed the inquisition enough.

dont say that only moslems use their religion as an excuse for terrorism

[Anonymous Hero]

The moslems who lived in spain at this time cannot be considered evil by any means other then if youre a religious fanatic who considers being a moslem as evil.

So the only way to hate someone for their religion is to be someone who hates someone becuse of their religion? Way to go, Sherlock. I wasn't talking about some "moslemist" cult that lived somewhere at some point of history, I'm talking about terrorists who are both muslim and evil.

dont say that only moslems use their religion as an excuse for terrorism

You said it, not me.
 

[Wolfram Meinegott]

For the Thirty Years War, that was started by the pope-worshipping inquisitor puppets of Vatican, whose aim was to drive away all the followers of true faith from the lands of central Europe.

Wolfram Meinegott
Sauerheim, BM

[kumiku]

Wolfram, the followers of the "true faith" wasn't really trying to stop the war. MY home country, sweden, entered the war to "protect the followrs of the true faith". But when we came down there we were allied ot the chatolic france, fighting against protestant-saxons, pillaging entire protestan-pommernia, fighting protestant-brandenburg and we even invaded denmark who had entered the war earlier for hte exact same reason as sweden did it.
Also if i remember right it was the protestants in Bohemia who revoltet, took over prague and offered the crown of bohemia to the elector of the palatine. Sure this was done as a reaction to the Emperor recalling a letter giving them full religious freedom which had been sent a few years earlier. However they were still not prosecuted by anyone (only hte archbishop of salzburg were prosecuting protestants, and salzburg isnt in bohemia)


AH-
I do not understand why you need to say that the "evil" terrorist are moslem. I mean the Basque rebellion cant be considered ot be anything else then terrorists, and they are christian. IRA in nothen ireland are also christian, and they have been terrorising far longer then al-queida.

However that is a minor matther, the statement by niilo was "So the pattern is clear: Christians are always just defending themselves against evil." I still have only seen wolfram trying to counter the examperls i brought out

[RPing Catholic]

Its obvious NP just hates Japan and his friends do as well.I am an AMerican and I LUV Japan! His opinions are not correct if you ask me.

[Niilo Paasivirta]

Its obvious NP just hates Japan and his friends do as well.I am an AMerican and I LUV Japan! His opinions are not correct if you ask me.

No true american could love Japan. They were on nazi size during the war, and put US soldiers in concentration and work camps.

[Wasser Spiegel]

I would think you hyper-Christians would side with the Nazis though. Your bull(poo-poo) about 'inferior races' and 'incorrect religions' kinda follows the Nazi beliefs. Seems to me you freaks are under the same belief as the Nazis, just using a religion instead of a country to hide behind.  

[RPing Catholic]

You know,NP,I dont judge the new generations for something that their grandparents or parents did.I am an American and I love Anime and Japan and guess what? Many other AMERICANS do too! America gets many things from Japan so America is friends with Japan.You arent because you are living in the past.Wasser is right if you ask me.Of course I am mad at Japan's earlier generations for doing that but not this generation! I love the this generation of Japan and their Anime and Games! NP you are a fool! You judge people and is that what Jesus would do? NO.So get a life and stop attacking us before the one without sins*Jesus*attacks you! "Let the one with no sins cast the first stone" -Jesus.