The Flood

[SwordOfNight]

We are more than just a pretty face, we have brains and we use them.

You must be as beautifull as logical thinkingskills, indeed.

I KNOW the Holocause existed, we learned about it in school but we never learned about anything called the Bronze age and when I looked it up I found nothing.

I never learned about the Holo-cause in school, but I learned about the Bible and Jesus And Our Lord Nillo, so I know it is true!

I did not say discovered, I said MADE. The Germans had the first plans for the Atomic Bomb but the U.S. was the first to MAKE an Atomic Bomb.

Sure, the Americans made the first atom
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:angry: - It seems like these "scientific" theories are being ripped into finer shreads as longer we discuss . Maybe you should consider Bible more relieable, it does not contain such contradictions.
 

"Maybe you should consider Bible more relieable, it does not contain such contradictions."!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you having trouble reading your beloved bible?!?!?!?

The bible (great work of fiction by the way) is so full of contridictions it hurts.


For example...after the great flood when Noah and his begotten incest heavy family met the Eygyptians.
SOme else who survived the floods.
The floods that God sent to wipe mankind from the face of the Earth for his sins.
Excpet obviously the Eygpytians.

And how the hell did Adam and Eve propergate the Human species together with out some help?
I mean where did all these wives come from to marry all these sons?

I think someone is telling some whoping porkie pies...

  If you don't know, where the Babies come from yet, then you should better ask your parent once they find a bride for you.
  And about "Eygypt", do you really think that a geographical region chease to exist, when it submerge and then emerge again in its same form?

Genesis 6:17: "And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

So EVERYBODY who was not on the Ark dies.  Everybody.

Genesis 7:13: "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

So the only surviving humans were 4 males and 4 females.  The only survivors.

Genesis 7:21: And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23: And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."

Everything and everyone else died. Dead.  Deceased.

Genesis 12:10: "And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land."

First mention of Eygpt.

Genesis 12:12: "Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive."

Now hang on, this is where it gets a bit silly.  Who are these Eygptians?  Surely if the previous texts mentioned the utter destruction of all living things, then these people could not exsist.  The only way they could exsist is if they are a splinter group from the offspring of Noah.  And some one forgot to mention it.

Oh and before I forget, yes of course I know where babies come from. 

"And about "Eygypt", do you really think that a geographical region chease to exist, when it submerge and then emerge again in its same form?"

No I think the geographical region will be exactly the same as it was before it got wet.  You've misunderstood the point I was raising.

[The_Cantor]

God created the aegyptians right after the flood, this is perfectly logical and the only explanation.

[Niilo Paasivirta]

The Flood is a proven scientific fact. There is overwhelming archeological proof of the Flood. Everything said in the Bible is true.

Shem, Ham and Japheth are the three sons of Noah: "and of them was the whole earth overspread" (Genesis 9:19). God repeated to Noah his command to Adam "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth" (Genesis 1:28; 9:1). Homo Sapiens is one species: but a polymorphic species. Differences or mutations in the genes in the chromosomes cause perceived racial characteristics. Genesis 10 gives lists of the descendants of Japhet, Ham and Shem. The Japhetic tribes are Caucasian; Javan is Greece; Ashkenaz is Armenia and eastern Europe; Tarshish is Gibraltar and Spain. The Hamitic tribes are African and Mesopotamian; Cush is Ethiopia; Mizraim is Egypt. Nimrod founded Babylon and built towns in Mesopotamia. Asshur founded Assyria and built Nineveh. Their Ziggurat (Tower of Babel) culture (Genesis 11:1-9) spread into Egypt, where the first pyramid (Cheops, the stepped pyramid) was modelled on the Mesopotamian Ziggurats. Canaan founded the Canaanite tribes of Palestine. The Semitic tribes include Eber the first Hebrew and Aram the first Aramaean. Abraham was descended from Eber, and was the father of Ishmael and Isaac, forefathers of the Arabs and of the Jews. Jacob (Israel) was a "wandering Aramaean" (Deuteronomy 26:5, RSV) who migrated to Egypt before his descendant Joshua returned to conquer Canaan after the Exodus.

The earth was only slowly repopulated after the Flood had killed all but the eight safe in the Ark at the end of the Chalcolithic (copper stone) Age in the 6th millennium BC. There is then a hiatus or gap in the archaeological record lasting from 1,000 to 1,500 years until we get to the Early Bronze Age circa 4,000 BC. It was during the upheaval of the Flood (circa 5000 BC) that Britain was cut off from Europe by the English Channel and the North Sea. The Flood was worldwide, not just a local Middle Eastern affair. The "Great Hiatus" or "Yawning Gap" as some archaeologists call it is worldwide. Archaeological observations confirm the Bible account in Genesis 10, 11 and 12. So also do the scientific findings of Sforza and Edwards (1963). Writing was invented about 4300 BC; and the Wheel was another Bronze Age invention.

Archaeology shows that people migrated in all directions outwards from Ararat where the Ark came to rest. Some went up the Danube river into Europe (the Second Danubians, following the same route as the First Danubians after the Fall), and some along the Mediterranean coast. Others went northeast past the Caspian Sea into Asia and beyond to India, China, across the Bering Straits into Alaska and down the continent of America as far as Tierra del Fuego. Others went southeast into Mesopotamia, and southwest into Egypt, Ethiopia, and the rest of Africa. It took all of 1000 to 1500 years, depending on the physical distance from Ararat, for the burgeoning human tribes to spread out and refill the newly empty earth. As they spread, they took their seed corn (wheat) and their domestic animals (cattle sheep and dogs) with them. In central Asia rice was found to be an alternative staple for a wet climate; in America local maize did better than wheat (compare the Hiawatha legend). In America there were no European fauna like horses, donkeys, and cattle. When the Spanish conquistadores invaded America, riding on horseback, the Aztecs and Incas, who had never seen a horse before, fled panic-stricken. Yet archaeologists have found mass graves of animal bones, all impacted together in a broken brecchia, including those of horses and Eurasian cattle. America was repopulated with native fauna that had somehow survived the Flood. Likewise in Australia the marsupials survived. It seems that Australia alone remained high and dry throughout the Deluge. Incidentally the Flood was not caused by excessive rain falling. It was caused by the great masses of oceanic water slopping violently up and over the continents. Hence the damage to the animal remains in their mass "graves" as the waters receded.


The next question is, why this "swordfighter" started to talk about a completely different topic in the message thread about christian girls seeking wives? I splitted this thread and moved it into the appropriate forum.

[SwordOfNight]

The Flood is a proven scientific fact. There is overwhelming archeological proof of the Flood. Everything said in the Bible is true.

Shem, Ham and Japheth are the three sons of Noah: "and of them was the whole earth overspread" (Genesis 9:19). God repeated to Noah his command to Adam "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth" (Genesis 1:28; 9:1). Homo Sapiens is one species: but a polymorphic species. Differences or mutations in the genes in the chromosomes cause perceived racial characteristics. Genesis 10 gives lists of the descendants of Japhet, Ham and Shem. The Japhetic tribes are Caucasian; Javan is Greece; Ashkenaz is Armenia and eastern Europe; Tarshish is Gibraltar and Spain. The Hamitic tribes are African and Mesopotamian; Cush is Ethiopia; Mizraim is Egypt. Nimrod founded Babylon and built towns in Mesopotamia. Asshur founded Assyria and built Nineveh. Their Ziggurat (Tower of Babel) culture (Genesis 11:1-9) spread into Egypt, where the first pyramid (Cheops, the stepped pyramid) was modelled on the Mesopotamian Ziggurats. Canaan founded the Canaanite tribes of Palestine. The Semitic tribes include Eber the first Hebrew and Aram the first Aramaean. Abraham was descended from Eber, and was the father of Ishmael and Isaac, forefathers of the Arabs and of the Jews. Jacob (Israel) was a "wandering Aramaean" (Deuteronomy 26:5, RSV) who migrated to Egypt before his descendant Joshua returned to conquer Canaan after the Exodus.




The earth was only slowly repopulated after the Flood had killed all but the eight safe in the Ark at the end of the Chalcolithic (copper stone) Age in the 6th millennium BC. There is then a hiatus or gap in the archaeological record lasting from 1,000 to 1,500 years until we get to the Early Bronze Age circa 4,000 BC. It was during the upheaval of the Flood (circa 5000 BC) that Britain was cut off from Europe by the English Channel and the North Sea. The Flood was worldwide, not just a local Middle Eastern affair. The "Great Hiatus" or "Yawning Gap" as some archaeologists call it is worldwide. Archaeological observations confirm the Bible account in Genesis 10, 11 and 12. So also do the scientific findings of Sforza and Edwards (1963). Writing was invented about 4300 BC; and the Wheel was another Bronze Age invention.

Archaeology shows that people migrated in all directions outwards from Ararat where the Ark came to rest. Some went up the Danube river into Europe (the Second Danubians, following the same route as the First Danubians after the Fall), and some along the Mediterranean coast. Others went northeast past the Caspian Sea into Asia and beyond to India, China, across the Bering Straits into Alaska and down the continent of America as far as Tierra del Fuego. Others went southeast into Mesopotamia, and southwest into Egypt, Ethiopia, and the rest of Africa. It took all of 1000 to 1500 years, depending on the physical distance from Ararat, for the burgeoning human tribes to spread out and refill the newly empty earth. As they spread, they took their seed corn (wheat) and their domestic animals (cattle sheep and dogs) with them. In central Asia rice was found to be an alternative staple for a wet climate; in America local maize did better than wheat (compare the Hiawatha legend). In America there were no European fauna like horses, donkeys, and cattle. When the Spanish conquistadores invaded America, riding on horseback, the Aztecs and Incas, who had never seen a horse before, fled panic-stricken. Yet archaeologists have found mass graves of animal bones, all impacted together in a broken brecchia, including those of horses and Eurasian cattle. America was repopulated with native fauna that had somehow survived the Flood. Likewise in Australia the marsupials survived. It seems that Australia alone remained high and dry throughout the Deluge. Incidentally the Flood was not caused by excessive rain falling. It was caused by the great masses of oceanic water slopping violently up and over the continents. Hence the damage to the animal remains in their mass "graves" as the waters receded.


The next question is, why this "swordfighter" started to talk about a completely different topic in the message thread about christian girls seeking wives? I splitted this thread and moved it into the appropriate forum.

1.  Not sure why I have been called a sword fighter but thats by the by...

2.  Np has just contradicted his own beloved KJB


KJB: 

Genesis 7:21: And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23: And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."

NP:

"Likewise in Australia the marsupials survived."

KJB:

Genesis 7:17: And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18: And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19: And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20: Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

NP:

"It seems that Australia alone remained high and dry throughout the Deluge."


And I thought that that True Christians didn't belive in science:

HerranRuoska:

"Saiyence is very Padd and saatanic ecpext Ingeneering scayence pecause Engineers is never Homosexuals. Niilolujaa."

Herr Gonore:

"In fact science must be "proved", in order to be caled science(greek for knowledge). However, many modern "sciences," like evolutional hypotesis, is not based upon empirical observations, and is thus not as plaucibel as the knowledge, we get through prayer - we expirience God, wich is empirical observations, and thus scientific."

HumbleServant:

"Science is based on belief, just like religion. Difference between science and true christianity is that there are no "truths" in science. True chrisianity is the truth and that's why it is better source of important information."


It does seem odd for NP to use a scientific response to try and prove the exsistance of events depicted in the Genesis book.  When we all know science is off the D E V I L!!!

[Niilo Paasivirta]

It does seem odd for NP to use a scientific response to try and prove the exsistance of events depicted in the Genesis book.  When we all know science is off the D E V I L!!!

"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged" (Luke 6:37).

First of all, that text is not written by me. I didn't say that I agree with everything in it. You jumped into that conclusion.

Let's start with the fact that is proven true (as I said): the Flood.

Do YOU agree with the fact that the Flood was a global event, as described in the Bible?

Answer that first, then we can perhaps discuss.

[SwordOfNight]

Show me your proven fact so that I can study it and make an informed descion as to whether there was a global event or not.

[Niilo Paasivirta]

Show me your proven fact so that I can study it and make an informed descion as to whether there was a global event or not.

You just said that "we all know scientific evidence is of the D E V I L", so why do you now beg for scientific evidence? Or what do you exactly mean now?

Anyway: Sforza and Edwards, Journal of the Royal Anthropological Society, 1963. They analyzed blood group gene frequencies and proved that all ethnic groups of the world are descended from Noah's children. More proven facts of the Flood were given in the above text.

So, now answer the question: do you believe the Flood as described in the Bible, as a global event, is a fact.

In your own words: if you don't believe that, you are of the D E V I L!

[Niilo Paasivirta]

No objections in five days, so global flood is proven correct.

In the above text, these conclusions however must be incorrect: "Yet archaeologists have found mass graves of animal bones, all impacted together in a broken brecchia, including those of horses and Eurasian cattle. America was repopulated with native fauna that had somehow survived the Flood. Likewise in Australia the marsupials survived. It seems that Australia alone remained high and dry throughout the Deluge."

The Bible indeed says that all life perished, except the life carried in the Ark and Australia was also covered by the Flood. So, the correct scientific explanation is that the baramin marsupials traveled to Australia over Indonesia. In the world map we can clearly see that Indonesia is virtually a land bridge from Asia to Australia. Right after the flood the oceans must have been lower than today, so the land bridge was above the sea. Only a few species of marsupials survived in Australia. Everywhere else, less degenerated species prevailed.

Marsupials are in fact a clear proof of the Flood. Only a few species managed to reach Australia before it was cut off. They were either driven by less degenerated species, or marsupials originally had qualities that allowed, or even compelled, them to travel further and faster than the other species. This is a much simpler explanation than the evolution-believers claims about billions of years of "evolution" (which is not possible since mutations cannot ever change a species to another, like, a cat will never turn into a dog).

Komodo lizards are another proof of this. The lizards, while big and strong, have degenerated and they are not a match for species on the mainland, which are closer to the original created baramins. That's why they only survived on a desolate island. Elsewhere, they were overthrown by less degenerated species.

[Rytmitynnyri]

No objections in five days, so global flood is proven correct.

Is this some kind of a law? What if SwordOfNight needs some time to prove you're wrong? You do the same thing. First the forum's closed and then suddenly there's new messages everywhere.

[Veli Joosef]

No objections in five days, so global flood is proven correct.

Is this some kind of a law? What if SwordOfNight needs some time to prove you're wrong? You do the same thing. First the forum's closed and then suddenly there's new messages everywhere.

So the SwordOfNight had not proofs before he started this topic? That's a very bad tactic!

And I understand him, he has no proofs because Niilo is always right! Niilolujaa! The Flood is true and all mammals, insects, lizards and fish drowned at those days! Feel the wrath of God, because The Judgement Day is near! Niilolujaa!

[Niilo Paasivirta]

No objections in five days, so global flood is proven correct.

Is this some kind of a law? What if SwordOfNight needs some time to prove you're wrong?

No, usually non-christians who spew something on this forum, declare that they have "won" because there is no answer, usually in a few minutes.

"Swordofnight" has not answered in 151 days...

[Tuskiainen]

Flood is true koos at that time Nooa titnt take yksisarvisia (kos it is a joulupukillinen animal) ant this is vhi there isnt eny Yksisarvisia no more! that is prove that the flood tit happen!

[Piously Aligned]

Flood is true koos at that time Nooa titnt take yksisarvisia (kos it is a joulupukillinen animal) ant this is vhi there isnt eny Yksisarvisia no more! that is prove that the flood tit happen!

This is correct. The unicorns were real animals, which died in the flood. Same happened to the dinosaurs. The scientists have great trouble deciding whether they should say the dinosaurs were killed by one or several asteroid impacts, climate change, volcanic activity or something else entirely. We know with absolute certainty, that dinosaurs died, because they were too big to fit in the Noah's Ark, just like the Bible says. Meanwhile, those silly scientists are not sure about anything!

[Echo]

No objections in five days, so global flood is proven correct.

Is this some kind of a law? What if SwordOfNight needs some time to prove you're wrong?

No, usually non-christians who spew something on this forum, declare that they have "won" because there is no answer, usually in a few minutes.

"Swordofnight" has not answered in 151 days...

Actually from what I've seen you can't produce proof other then from what you read in the Bible, so you get frustrated with them and start needling the other party by switching around words, refusing to listen and they respond in turn by asking you again and again, eventually getting tired of your unwilliness to listen and frustrating you back and move on with their lives. Refusing to respond to respond to you  I think, is just a sign of that.

You know.. if you actually interested in learning about Biblical times  the Discovery channel  has some very interesting things on the Ark, the life of Jesus and other such things. Nothing pertaining to walking on water but it is interesting and does add to the proof he did exist. If you can get past the strange habit of shutting out anything you don't want to listen to and see past your overwhelming hatred for the world, it may provide you with fodder to counteract arguements the next time someone says something you don't like.

As for the flood, it's been theorized  that it did strike most of ancient Mesopatamia, where the original Noah was. Of course according to your page that really wouldn't make him white as a cracker  Atlantean would it? They were pretty tan back then

[Niilo Paasivirta]

You know.. if you actually interested in learning about Biblical times  the Discovery channel  has some very interesting things on the Ark, the life of Jesus and other such things.

So your "scientific proof" is Discovery channel!