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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2006, 04:16:12 PM »

Yes, you're right, one must talk about these things in order to oppose and criticise them. And what the bible is concerned, it is also true that the bible condemns all of these practices. I'm not so sure though that American Girl actually believes in these practices, lets wait and see Wink.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2006, 02:22:12 AM »

Occult practices attract demons. It's not the color, but the occult practice of "warding off evil spirits".
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white dress - used to ward off "evil spirits"

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You seem to avoid this question. Do you believe that flower arrangements make the wife fertile? Why can't you answer?
Why can't you answer my question? I asked first.

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You said tossing the boquet is for making "good luck". That is occultism.
I didn't say that, you did.
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tossing the bouquet - occult practice of "spreading luck"

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It is not described in the Bible as a Christian practice. God is not involved, so it's not a Christian practice, therefore it is an occult practice, idolatry, paganism, or heresy.
The bible didn't say it was an occult practice, idolatry, paganism, or heresy.

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Nope, ancient greeks (pagans) claimed that. That's why it is a pagan custom, not Christian. I see that you are deliberately trying to misunderstand what others write. That indicates that you are losing this argument and panicking.
Do you have a document where the greeks say that?

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So why do you need this magic practice then. As I explained, these are not Christian practices and have no place in a Christian ceremony. Why can't you admit that your "dream wedding" is not a Christian wedding? I thought you said you were not a Christian...
I would practice it because it doesn't hurt to try it. If it works then ok, if it doesn't work then ok. Christians say it is a Christian wedding, why is it that you are refuting what MILLIONS of Christians are saying is true?

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So you practice occultism just to be sure. Surely you also pray for, say, egyptian gods then as well, since you don't have a proof that they didn't exist?
There is no proof that it is an occult practice. It does not say so in the bible. I think the Egyptian gods are very interesting, do I worship them? No.

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That "American Girl" doesn't even dare to answer this question, so she obviously believes in that fertility and luck magic flowers and dresses etc. Otherwise she would answer. Now she is afraid of being ridiculed of her silly beliefs, like she has always laughed at and ridiculed Christianity.
You have no room to talk. You are not answering the question either.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2006, 05:13:20 AM »

Occult practices attract demons. It's not the color, but the occult practice of "warding off evil spirits".
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white dress - used to ward off "evil spirits"
That's what pagans believed. You agreed with it. You answered with a question:
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So you want evil spirits to attack your wife?
That indicates that you believe that white dress "wards off evil spirits". The question you made is an argumentation error. Telling you about pagan beliefs (which you seem to believe in) does not have anything to do with me wanting "evil spirits" somewhere. Your question is completely irrelevant. You obviously believe in this occult practice, but I want to make sure, so, do you believe "evil spirits" are warded off by white dress?
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You seem to avoid this question. Do you believe that flower arrangements make the wife fertile? Why can't you answer?
Why can't you answer my question? I asked first.
Again, an irrelevant question. I told you flower arrangements is a pagan practice. You seem to believe in its power, since you ask an irrelevant question about me not wanting to "make a wife pregnant". You are avoiding the question, however, that question also implicates you believe in this fertility magic. That's why I try to confirm it. Do you believe flower arrangements have something to do with wife's fertility? Yes or no?
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You said tossing the boquet is for making "good luck". That is occultism.
I didn't say that, you did.
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tossing the bouquet - occult practice of "spreading luck"
You don't disagree, so you think boquet tossing magically creates good luck then.
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It is not described in the Bible as a Christian practice. God is not involved, so it's not a Christian practice, therefore it is an occult practice, idolatry, paganism, or heresy.
The bible didn't say it was an occult practice, idolatry, paganism, or heresy.
Do you read the Bible? Since you don't seem to know the basics.  All forms of the occult – divination, necromancy, astrology, hypnotism, fortune-telling, magic, etc. – are forbidden by God. Leviticus 19:26-28, 31; 20:6, 27; Deuteronomy 18:9-14; 2 Kings 23:24; Jeremiah 10:2.
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Nope, ancient greeks (pagans) claimed that. That's why it is a pagan custom, not Christian. I see that you are deliberately trying to misunderstand what others write. That indicates that you are losing this argument and panicking.
Do you have a document where the greeks say that?
I can search for original references (the only things accepted in the science of history), but that is common knowledge. In this case you can even log into Internet and seach for "ancient greek marriage ring" etc. Do you really want me to start asking for a scientific documentation for each and every claim you make? All your claims could be countered by "do you have documentation for that?".
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So why do you need this magic practice then. As I explained, these are not Christian practices and have no place in a Christian ceremony. Why can't you admit that your "dream wedding" is not a Christian wedding? I thought you said you were not a Christian...
I would practice it because it doesn't hurt to try it. If it works then ok, if it doesn't work then ok. Christians say it is a Christian wedding, why is it that you are refuting what MILLIONS of Christians are saying is true?
An argumentation error. Even millions of people believing something doesn't make that a truth. Do you believe astrology is true? Millions of people believe in it!
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So you practice occultism just to be sure. Surely you also pray for, say, egyptian gods then as well, since you don't have a proof that they didn't exist?
There is no proof that it is an occult practice. It does not say so in the bible. I think the Egyptian gods are very interesting, do I worship them? No.
I already listed some (not even all!) verses that say so.
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That "American Girl" doesn't even dare to answer this question, so she obviously believes in that fertility and luck magic flowers and dresses etc. Otherwise she would answer. Now she is afraid of being ridiculed of her silly beliefs, like she has always laughed at and ridiculed Christianity.
You have no room to talk. You are not answering the question either.
Well, I have answered all your questions now. You answer now. And show documentation and give proof for your every claim. And if millions of people believe differently from you, you are automatically wrong, of course.  rolleyes

Note: This important topic, that reveals many of the so-called "christian" rituals in marriages to be pagan occultism, has now been split from the topic "How to get teenage girls" (a different subject altogether). This is also moved into Often Repeated Discussions: I'm sure this would otherwise come up later.
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2006, 06:35:14 AM »

I see American Girl doesn't answer anything, so she admits I answered all her questions and she was wrong. So now it is proven that those marriage practices were pagan occultism, not Christian. I'll lock this topic then.
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2006, 02:12:14 AM »

Could this have anything to do with "American Girl" not being able to post messages:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/31/teen.sentenced.ap/index.html  rolleyes
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2006, 04:07:02 PM »

Could this have anything to do with "American Girl" not being able to post messages:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/31/teen.sentenced.ap/index.html  rolleyes
These are one of the awful examples for times of end...
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