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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2006, 02:48:21 PM »

Hitler shot himself on the 30th of april, the day after he married Eva Braun. On that day, the 29th of april, German troops had already stopped fighting in Italy. The real surrender began on the 4th of may in Holland and Denmark. Keitel and Von Ribbentrop signed the armistice. They were later hanged after the Nurnberg trials.

Hitler could not allow Germany to surrender, because he saw himself as the new Siegfried, one of Wagner's heroes. Either full victory, or total perish, nothing in between. To surrender would not have been heroic. I've got an interesting book here concerning Hitler's obsession with Wagner called "Wagners Hitler. Der Prophet und sein Vollstrecker", written by Joachim Köhler. Allthough there are other factors which made Hitler possible as a political man, it is true that Wagner played an enormous role in Hitler's ideology.
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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2006, 05:24:02 AM »

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Women have to give birth painfully because you're paying the price from the crimes of Eve.
Yes but out of that pain comes the joy and happiness of having a baby, so is it really that bad? I don't think so. Also with modern technology and medicines it is not a painful as it use to be.
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We men are freed from suffering the pains of childbirth because of this.
When the baby is in the womb the mother and child for a special bond that the father will never be able to have with the child.

[/QUOTE]Why not use the a-bomb against terrorists? I mean, the japanese civilians weren't terrorists but hey, you simply cannot avoid civilian casualties in war and we're in a war agaist terror. Id say first you should bomb Tel-Aviv, then Istanbul, then Paris, until the terrorists give up their hidden weapons of mass destruktion.
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Well for starters we where the only people at the time who had the Atom Bomb. Now there are many countries who have the Atom Bomb, if they didn't like us they could use it against us. We would not bomb Paris because 1. The French are our allies and 2. THEY HAVE ATOM BOMBS AND WILL USE IT AGAINST US! Also the atom bomb has horrible gruesome side effects that no human should have to bear especially civilians. The only reason we used it on the Japanese was because we didn't know how horrible the after effects would be. Now we are sorry we did it to the people.

Actually, I do believe Germany surrendered and Hitler shot himself in May, prior to Japan's surrender (in August)...
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Oh. It's been awhile since we learned about it. I should brush up on it.
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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2006, 09:19:08 AM »

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Also with modern technology and medicines it is not a painful as it use to be.

Christian woman should not take any drugs, because they can affect the baby.

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The only reason we used it on the Japanese was because we didn't know how horrible the after effects would be. Now we are sorry we did it to the people.

This is not true. In fact, atom bomb was so effective USAians built several thousand more of these incredible weapons. And they had tested the bomb before they used it, they sure knew about the 'side-effects'. Weapons are for use only!
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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2006, 10:17:49 AM »

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Nice to see that you agree with me already in some facts.

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Also with modern technology and medicines it is not a painful as it use to be.
Isn't the use of drugs in childbirth an attempt to workaround the punishment of Eve? That should not be allowed in Christian hospitals!

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out of that pain comes the joy and happiness of having a baby, so is it really that bad? I don't think so.
Joy and happiness? Sounds like sin to me. God told us to multiply and fill the earth, not stop it for selfish joy.

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We men are freed from suffering the pains of childbirth because of this.
When the baby is in the womb the mother and child for a special bond that the father will never be able to have with the child.
How does the Bible support this claim of yours?

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Christian woman should not take any drugs, because they can affect the baby.
True. In case of a failing childbirth, the child should be cut out of the whimpering wench. It could be a boy, after all, and we must ensure its survival wíthout dangerous painkillers!
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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2006, 06:12:57 AM »

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Christian woman should not take any drugs, because they can affect the baby.
That's not true, if they effected the baby women would not be able to take the drugs.

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This is not true. In fact, atom bomb was so effective USAians built several thousand more of these incredible weapons. And they had tested the bomb before they used it, they sure knew about the 'side-effects'. Weapons are for use only!
We built more to protect ourselves. Yes we did test it but we did not test it on people, there for we did not see the side effects it has on people. Notice how we have not used the Atom Bomb since then.

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Isn't the use of drugs in childbirth an attempt to workaround the punishment of Eve? That should not be allowed in Christian hospitals!
If "Christian" hospitals did not allow drugs then no woman would go to the hospital.

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Joy and happiness? Sounds like sin to me. God told us to multiply and fill the earth, not stop it for selfish joy.
So you had no joy and where not happy when your child (assuming you have one) was born? I'm sure that makes that child feel good.

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How does the Bible support this claim of yours?
Women experience supports this 'claim'. All the women that I have talked to who have had children said they formed a special bond with the child while it was in the womb.
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2006, 10:11:10 AM »

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That's not true, if they effected the baby women would not be able to take the drugs.
Drugs have very serious affects on baby. Unfortunately some woman think that drugs are more important than their baby.

http://www.safefetus.com/

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We built more to protect ourselves. Yes we did test it but we did not test it on people, there for we did not see the side effects it has on people. Notice how we have not used the Atom Bomb since then.

You have used cheaper weapons that have exactly the same side effects as nuclear wepaons. Uranium bullets and 'Agent Orange' for example. Side effects are effects, in other words they make weapons more effective. And weapons are for use.
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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2006, 11:59:38 AM »

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If "Christian" hospitals did not allow drugs then no woman would go to the hospital.
Only True Christian women would go to a drugless (christian) hospital. Pagans probably would go to abortion clinics instead of a hospital anyway.
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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2006, 11:01:20 PM »

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Drugs have very serious affects on baby. Unfortunately some woman think that drugs are more important than their baby.

http://www.safefetus.com/
 
That is a site about drugs in general. You are talking about all kinds of drugs, I am talking about the specific drugs that are taken to ease the pain of child birth.

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You have used cheaper weapons that have exactly the same side effects as nuclear wepaons. Uranium bullets and 'Agent Orange' for example. Side effects are effects, in other words they make weapons more effective. And weapons are for use.

I'll remember that should we ever decide to bomb Finland.
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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2006, 11:02:42 PM »

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Only True Christian women would go to a drugless (christian) hospital. Pagans probably would go to abortion clinics instead of a hospital anyway.
Christian women drown their children in the bath tub. Oh and most of the women who have gone to Abortion Clinics have been Christian.
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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2006, 11:35:33 PM »

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Christian women drown their children in the bath tub.
All of their children? Where do they get new children to replace the drowned ones?
That sounds more like something that the santa worshippers are supposed to do.
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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2006, 07:20:02 AM »

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Christian women drown their children in the bath tub. Oh and most of the women who have gone to Abortion Clinics have been Christian.
So these are more things you list as Christian, and since you said, that Christians don't follow the rules you have listed, we can only conclude that you meant "True Christians women never kill a baby nor would they have an abortion". Good that you agree!
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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2006, 09:06:01 PM »

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All of their children? Where do they get new children to replace the drowned ones?

So these are more things you list as Christian, and since you said, that Christians don't follow the rules you have listed, we can only conclude that you meant "True Christians women never kill a baby nor would they have an abortion". Good that you agree!
That was a generalization. You generalized Pagans with a false claim, so I generalized Christians with a false claim.
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« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2006, 06:05:15 AM »

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That was a generalization. You generalized Pagans with a false claim, so I generalized Christians with a false claim.
Specify. In this thread, it's you who has made wild generalizations all the way. And now you suddenly even say that all your claims are false! Should we now assume all you write is lies?
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« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2006, 04:48:56 AM »

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Specify. In this thread, it's you who has made wild generalizations all the way. And now you suddenly even say that all your claims are false! Should we now assume all you write is lies?
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Pagans probably would go to abortion clinics instead of a hospital anyway.
That was a horrible and false generalization by The Cantor.

What generalizations have I made other than the obvious one that I said was a generalization.
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« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2006, 06:01:25 AM »

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And now you suddenly even say that all your claims are false! Should we now assume all you write is lies?
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Pagans probably would go to abortion clinics instead of a hospital anyway.
That was a horrible and false generalization by The Cantor.

What generalizations have I made other than the obvious one that I said was a generalization.
Are those false claims again?
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