About Atheists

[HerranRuoska]

A large asteroid or comet collided with Earth about 65 million years ago. The collision was so large and it threw so much dust into the air that sunlight was not be able to shine and plants and animals died. Since the sun was blocked by all the dust tempatures dropped causing the Ice Age. The dramatic changes in climate that resulted from this huge collision were too much for the dinosaurs. They were not able to survive.

There you have it! We provide proof of our statements, you keep rationally silent by ranting and bible bashing.

Too bad this guestbook isn't written in Dutch. Otherwise, I would have launched much more verbal attacks against your pitiful "statements". My English isn't so good - but still better than that of our old friend HerranRuoska, Pirkka Paasivirta   !

But, no problem. Niilo is studying "Afrikaans", a language derived from Dutch. So, within a few months, I hope he will create a new php forumpart here, in which "Afrikaans" is the language.

Afrgaans is te Kood langwidge ov a Kood bebople. Dutch langwidge is very pad langwidge pegause Dutch bebople is pad bebople. They is always taking drugz and going to prothels and doing Homppa-szexzual things. There was only twoo good Dutch men pim Fortune and  Deo von Kogh. They kould nevver have done these thinhgs. Put then Pad Plag-Muzzlim men killed them. All Muzzlim-Pizzlam bebople is very pad bebople they shold pee Shot.

Afrikaans bebople is very kood bebople they is White bebople hoo went to afrika to Kill Plag bebople like the Animals they are. This is very kood and Heroic thing to doo. Wee all should Kreately onour Afrikaans bebople for Hunting down lower Raices. Niilolujaa.

[American Girl]

Afrgaans is te Kood langwidge ov a Kood bebople. Dutch langwidge is very pad langwidge pegause Dutch bebople is pad bebople. They is always taking drugz and going to prothels and doing Homppa-szexzual things. There was only twoo good Dutch men pim Fortune and  Deo von Kogh. They kould nevver have done these thinhgs. Put then Pad Plag-Muzzlim men killed them. All Muzzlim-Pizzlam bebople is very pad bebople they shold pee Shot.

Afrikaans bebople is very kood bebople they is White bebople hoo went to afrika to Kill Plag bebople like the Animals they are. This is very kood and Heroic thing to doo. Wee all should Kreately onour Afrikaans bebople for Hunting down lower Raices. Niilolujaa.

If bad people where to be shot, you would be the first one to go Herran. Most African people are BLACK! They only white Africans are people who where born there and even then a lot of them are Arab. The only Animal is you Herran because only an Animal would think that way.

[SwordOfNight]

How could we look at the same bible (King James Bible) but get different answers? If there are different versions of the bible then how can you tell which one is right? They are both King James Bible.

Because you didn't read the whole story and got it all wrong. You quoted Genesis 6:18- and I quoted Genesis 7:1-3.

We had the same book, but you didn't read the whole story. Like I said before: read more Bible!

From Gen 6-18

"18But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

 19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

 20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive."


From Gen 7-13

"12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

 13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

 14They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

 15And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."


Now these are direct quotes from the king james bible.  So I think you are the one who requires to read your bible more.

[bengel]

Welcome, and thanks, Sword of Night, for this proof of internal contradictions in the bible, and for bringing this important topic back into focus 

This topic was about atheist, not about  teaching biology and other science to atheist. I can create new topic where atheist can ask science and Bible questions from true christians.

Yes, you were right about that, Humble Servant, which invides me to go back on topic:

"A religion or morality that labels bodily pleasures and actions that are healthy as immoral sins that deserve an eternal punishment in a so-called afterlife, is denying the very principles of life itself and should be forbidden." The context was masturbation, but it could also be pre-marital intercourse or other healthy sexual or bodily activities, in which the partners (if there is more than one) mutually agree to perform these actions together. So, this does not include child molestation, nor rape f.e.

There you have, in my own humble words, one of the most important crticisms against extreme christians, their denial of the body and their mummification of the body inside the fabric either of marriage or of "sin". I didn't get a descent reply on that one yet.

[HumbleServant]

We christians believe that there are more important things than following bodily pleasures. Just because something is fun doesen't make it right.
What is more important than following bodily desires is to learn how to control these feelings (lust) and take responsibility of your own sexuality. Prayer is a great way to better your self control. One should also read Bible.
Sexuality includes responsibility and only correct way to have sex is in safe christian marriage. Only real safe sex is in christian marriage between loving man and woman.

Think how many problems we could avoid if people could control their lust before they get married.
No rapes, no unwanted childs, no abortions, no AIDS...world would be much better place if people would respect christian moral values.

[bengel]

What is more important than following bodily desires is to learn how to control these feelings (lust) and take responsibility of your own sexuality. Prayer is a great way to better your self control. One should also read Bible.

Prayer is a call for a non intervening being, sofrosunè, measure, is another thing. Not too much, not too less, a grand morale beyond dogmatism!!!

[HumbleServant]

What is more important than following bodily desires is to learn how to control these feelings (lust) and take responsibility of your own sexuality. Prayer is a great way to better your self control. One should also read Bible.

Prayer is a call for a non intervening being, sofrosunè, measure, is another thing. Not too much, not too less, a grand morale beyond dogmatism!!!

If you ask God to give you strenght to avoid sin God will help you. If your child wants bread you don't give snakes, right?

[bengel]

God will not help you concerning sin, since sin does not exist within his own metaphysics. Sin is a human invention, let's cast it out , completely and determinately, once and for all!!!

[anti-conan]

God will not help you concerning sin, since sin does not exist within his own metaphysics. Sin is a human invention, let's cast it out , completely and determinately, once and for all!!!

So you havn't read the Bible anyway? Or maybe your "god" rather is santa. So, how did you find out about the nature of your "god"?

[Spear of Destiny]

This conversation is so stupid.  there is so much incorrect information over this thread that I dont even have the time to take issue with any of it.

This web site is a joke - and I mean that in literal terms.  Unfortunately, this joke just isnt funny now.


Atheists = a great variety of people from all walks of life, all with their own individual philosophies for living and ways of doing so.
Dinosaurs = existed.  Deal with it.
Mountain climbing = plenty of people do it with out harnesses and protective equipment, every day.
Homosexuality = it has not been proven that homosexuality is genetic.
Masturbation = healthy.
Evolution = a theory with supportive evidence.
Creationism = a theory.

I cant even remember half the other crap that has been spouted thus far.  But there you go.

[bengel]

God will not help you concerning sin, since sin does not exist within his own metaphysics. Sin is a human invention, let's cast it out , completely and determinately, once and for all!!!

So you havn't read the Bible anyway? Or maybe your "god" rather is santa. So, how did you find out about the nature of your "god"?

Well, I downloaded and read the Gospel of Judas, and in this gospel, we see a very different Jesus than the one in the 4 Gospels that were chosen by Iraneus, Bishop of Lyon, out of more than 30 gospels, and later canonised by the catholic church. Yes, True Christians, you got your 4 gospels from the catholic church! Jesus laughs at least 3 times in this Gospel and ridicules his apostles when they are praying for thanksgiving, worshipping the false god named "God", who talks about sin all the time. This Jesus does not put any weight upon sin , but upon the knowledge of the inner divine spark (labelled by catholics as "gnosticism", which was a term of abuse). Just like he did in the Gospels of Thomas, Phillipus, Mary Magdelene and so on. 

[HumbleServant]

Gospel of Judas is writen by Gnostic-santaic-pagan-false believers!
Real gospels are written in 1. century but this fake gospel is written in 4th century.

[HumbleServant]

The fakest of the fake gospels is gospel of Barnabas. It is written by muslim-pislam pagans.

[bengel]

Gospel of Judas is writen by Gnostic-santaic-pagan-false believers!
Real gospels are written in 1. century but this fake gospel is written in 4th century.

This copy was written somewhere between 280 - 340 AD. It existed already long before 180 AD (Iraneus mentioned it) and probably dates back to the first century.

[Spear of Destiny]

Gospel of Judas is writen by Gnostic-santaic-pagan-false believers!
Real gospels are written in 1. century but this fake gospel is written in 4th century.

Radio-Carbon Dating shows the Gospel of Judas to be dated at around 240 AD, give or take 50 years.

The Gospel of Mark is widely considered to be the oldest Gospel written around the year 60 and does not depict Judas as a villain.  In fact, in the scene of the last supper as told in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus' "betrayer" is never named.  The next Gospel paints Judas as a betrayer and is written some 100-200 years later.

So all the Gospels were not written at the same time, or even in the same century, and the Gospel of Judas was unlikely to have been written in the 4th Century.